The Yamaha DGX-670: Hammond B3 Organ Sounds & Adjusting The "Leslie" Rotary Speed?

[Tony Trout]

Howdy, everyone!

I've seen the discussion of the Yamaha DGX-670 here in a couple of threads and I'm thinking very seriously about saving my money and buying TWO of them (one for the piano sounds and the drums and the other for organ sounds like the legendary Hammond B3 organ) and I have another question regarding that keyboard:

I know that it has those awesome Hammond B3 organ sounds with it...but, can the "Leslie" speaker effects speed be adjusted to slow down or speed up like on a real Hammond B3??

Any information is appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony Trout

 

[delaware dave]

I know that it has those awesome Hammond B3 organ sounds

Are we talking about the same keyboard? Frankly, the organ/leslie is borderline awful. Rather than spending money on a 2nd keyboard I would spend my money on a organ module that will get you infinitely better hammond/leslie tone. Here are three with decent pricing:

Roland VK8m
Viscount Legend EXP
Crumar Mojo desktop

They all can be purchased for the same price as the Yamaha and can be run via MIDI. The other advantage is portability. If you decide later to use another keyboard or upgrade your keyboard you can just midi the module to the new keyboard. My two cents, which is about all my advice on this forum is worth....

 

[Biggles]

A different tack to Dave’s suggestion but first.

Am I correct in presuming that you want to stack them and have one playing the piano and styles or just the drums and the other is for the organ?

If so then you you would probably be better served with a different second tier keyboard such as the Roland VR-09 or even a Yamaha SX700 Arranger or a Korg Pa700 arranger which has virtual drawbars and a better rotary effect than the SX and a different sound set which would give more options for you..

Such an arrangement would give you a better keybed that is more suited to organ and with the Roland you would have far better physical drawbars and rotary controls than you could have with a DGX or an arranger.

 

[b3maniac]

 

[Tony Trout]

Thanks for the advice and options. So...I'm assuming the answer to my original question is a big "NO".....correct?

 

[Biggles]

Yes its a No from me

Another alternate specifically for its drawbars if funds are limited

 

[anotherscott]

Thanks for the advice and options. So...I'm assuming the answer to my original question is a big "NO".....correct?

Actually, I believe the answer to your original question is YES... the manual does show that it has a rotary slow/fast switch control, and every Yamaha I've played that has a rotary toggle does that gradual speed up/slow down when you hit it.

That said, I agree with those who suggest not to buy a second DGX-670 for organ use, because for organ in particular, other boards can sound and feel better, and can give you actual organ controls (drawbars, percussion switches, etc.). The Roland VR09 Biggles mentioned is probably the best low-cost option, though it's still $1200 compared to $850 for the DGX. For less money, there's also the Numa Compact 2X that he also mentioned, which is also a cool board, which would still beat the DGX for organ, though I'd say it lags the Roland there. Or for even less money, Yamaha's own Reface YC is a fun little organ, if you're okay with mini-keys (and not having presets). It kind of serves different needs, but maybe it could work for you, too, video below.

Also picking up from Dave's thought about a separate module, while that doesn't give you the additional non-piano keys to play from (or the ability to play piano on one board while playing organ on the other, which is something you may have been thinking about as part of your idea of getting two DGX in the first place), if that idea works for you, another option is to get sounds from an app... Vb3m on an iPhone or many androids, B3x from an iPad. You don't get the hard controls of the modules, but it can be a very cost-effective way to go, since you probably already own a smartphone and maybe an iPad. Though for any of these options, while you can play them from the DGX, you will be hindered somewhat both by that board's piano-type action and also by the fact that the DGX is not designed for easy/flexible integration of external sounds over MIDI, which may complicate your ability to easily call up different organ sounds or to split those sounds with the internal sounds of the DGX. There can be ways to address these things, but it may take a bit more effort to figure out how to get the rig to do just what you want.

 

[PianoTone]

I did a video on setting up the rotary control on the DGX (it's a bit wonky but it works). But as Biggles said don't buy 2x DGX for that; the keybed is great for piano but not for organ. You'd be better off with any lighter action keybed with decent organ sounds (AND the controls you need; drawbars, rotary controls etc); Yamaha CK61 is a decent "low" cost option (about the price of the DGX but weighs 15 pounds - it has the Reface organ sounds in it). Anyway here is the video on using rotary with the DGX:

 

[Engineerjoel]

Howdy, everyone!

I've seen the discussion of the Yamaha DGX-670 here in a couple of threads and I'm thinking very seriously about saving my money and buying TWO of them (one for the piano sounds and the drums and the other for organ sounds like the legendary Hammond B3 organ) and I have another question regarding that keyboard:

I know that it has those awesome Hammond B3 organ sounds with it...but, can the "Leslie" speaker effects speed be adjusted to slow down or speed up like on a real Hammond B3??

Any information is appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony Trout

Yes, you can change the speed of the Leslie sim from slow to fast, and then, fast to slow. You have to purchase the optional 3-Pedal unit and assign one of the pedals to ‘rotor speed’. Be aware that the rotor doesn’t gradually speed up and slow down like a real Leslie: the foot switch just changes the rotor from a slow rotation to an immediate fast rotation and vise-versa.

 

[oasislv]

Thanks for the advice and options. So...I'm assuming the answer to my original question is a big "NO".....correct?

um, I personally like it when a question is actually answered rather than ignored in favor of (unsolicited?) advice. The DGX-670 does have 'the "Leslie" speaker effects speed ... to slow down or speed up like on a real Hammond B3' As some have posted how-to videos on this topic. Methinks you'd enjoy a deep dive into ALL the possibilities for both the piano and organ sounds!

One of the three free download manuals on the YAMAHA site is simply called DATA LIST. Pages 40-42 under the heading ROTARY SPEAKER/AUTO PAN/TREMOLO have DSP #'s,Table #'s (for data assignment pg 45) and even the maximum and minimum values allowed.

 

[LivinLarge]

The DGX670 does have the ability to create pretty good Leslie sounds with gradual speed up and slow down. You can trigger the change with the sustain pedal or optional 3 pedal unit. It is a bit tedious to set up. You will have to set it up for each organ voice and save as a registration if you are using the sustain pedal or you can save as custom voices if you have the triple pedal. The video by Piano tone explains how.
The CK61 has much better organ sounds. The Leslie sound, adjustments and functionality are much better. I am looking at connecting the two of them together as a dual manual organ.

 

[matiSon]

Are we talking about the same keyboard? Frankly, the organ/leslie is borderline awful. Rather than spending money on a 2nd keyboard I would spend my money on a organ module that will get you infinitely better hammond/leslie tone. Here are three with decent pricing:

Roland VK8m
Viscount Legend EXP
Crumar Mojo desktop

They all can be purchased for the same price as the Yamaha and can be run via MIDI. The other advantage is portability. If you decide later to use another keyboard or upgrade your keyboard you can just midi the module to the new keyboard. My two cents, which is about all my advice on this forum is worth....

I respect that you have your own opinion on the Hammond B3/Leslie combo, but having grown up listening to blues/jazz and rock, to me there is no substitute nor any better sound than the Hammond B3/Leslie (I will just call it the B3 in short, hereafter). I have tried to duplicate the sound on other organs and electronic pianos, and nothing has come close to the B3 with the Doppler effect sound.

 

[anotherscott]

to me there is no substitute nor any better sound than the Hammond B3/Leslie (I will just call it the B3 in short, hereafter). I have tried to duplicate the sound on other organs and electronic pianos, and nothing has come close to the B3 with the Doppler effect sound.

Yes, nothing sounds quite like the real thing (especially the sound of an actual rotary speaker spinning the sound in the room)... but some things can come quite a bit closer than others.

 

[delaware dave]

I respect that you have your own opinion on the Hammond B3/Leslie combo, but having grown up listening to blues/jazz and rock, to me there is no substitute nor any better sound than the Hammond B3/Leslie (I will just call it the B3 in short, hereafter). I have tried to duplicate the sound on other organs and electronic pianos, and nothing has come close to the B3 with the Doppler effect sound.

Dude you have no idea what you are talking about. And i'm not going to waste my time having the discussion with you.