How to export a style . .

[Rayblewit]

My friend has a psr e363
I have a psr s650

My friend likes to play yatch rock and funk, but he doesn't have a suitable style within his KB
My KB has an awesome funk/pop style which would be most suitable for him

Can I export this style to his KB?

How!

Mine has a usb port, his doesn't which is not very helpful.
Any ideas on how to export a style, much appreciated.

My friend also has a korg ek-50 if you guys know of any funk styles he could acquire .. maybe to please his desires lol.

But to focus on the yamaha would be first option.

Many thanks
R

 

[rikkisbears]

My friend has a psr e363
I have a psr s650

My friend likes to play yatch rock and funk, but he doesn't have a suitable style within his KB
My KB has an awesome funk/pop style which would be most suitable for him

Can I export this style to his KB?

How!

Mine has a usb port, his doesn't which is not very helpful.
Any ideas on how to export a style, much appreciated.

My friend also has a korg ek-50 if you guys know of any funk styles he could acquire .. maybe to please his desires lol.

But to focus on the yamaha would be first option.

Many thanks
R

Hi Ray, found this online, a “how to” and some styles. Probably not a great deal around.

Bonus Styles | EK-50 - ENTERTAINER KEYBOARD | KORG (Australia)

The keyboard that helps you play

www.korg.com

Downloads | EK-50 - Mixed Styles | KORG (USA)

株式会社コルグは、音楽を演奏、作曲するためのシンセサイザーやデジタルピアノ(電子ピアノ）、DJ機器、デジタル・レコーダー、エフェクター、チューナーまでさまざまな電子楽器を製造、販売しています。

www.korg.com

The link below, possibly style sets 1 to 7 might load. I checked the styles in my PA5x, and I think they have the same no. of variations , fills etc that ek50 has. Not designed for ek, though.

All about Arrangers - Bonusware | KORG (Australia)

KORG

www.korg.com

I had a peek at the e363 manual, not as straight forward as just loading a style in from usb stick. It appears it requires the music soft downloader software and pc.
Also I don’t think your styles will load into his keyboard. I think yours has 3 intro’s , 4 variations etc his I think only has 2 variations?
I ran into that problem with my dgx piano many years ago , had to edit my styles down to suit.
There’s probably software around to do it.

It may not even sound as good on his, due to differing voices in keyboard.

https://jp.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/890277/psre363_en_om_b0.pdf#page23

 

[Rayblewit]

Thanks very much rikki,
You put some thought into that and I appreciate it.
I will pass your links on to my friend.
Cheers
R

 

[Biggles]

Not sure if the E series can import with using an App.

Take a look at Yamaha’s free Style Expansion Manager, I am unsure if an E series is compatible.

There is always Jorgen Sorensen’s software to check out as that will probably have an app that works.

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sdm/

 

[rikkisbears]

Hi Biggles, manual mentions musicsoft downloader, something about registering it. My old DGX worked that way also. Pain in the neck.
Hopefully one of Jorgen’s programs might work, but I have my doubts.
If nothing else , might be able to get software to convert the style from psr to e series. I can’t remember what I used to convert my psr to dgx, if it was one of Jorgen’s programs or One Man Band.
I was going thru One Man Band phase at that stage, ie using it for style editing and as an arranger.
Not fun, not being able to remember.

Ray , let us know if your friend can be bothered in working out how to load the style, might be a bit fiddly

 

[Biggles]

Ray

Off the wall solution.

Sell your mate your PSR and blow your pension on a Genos 2 or Pa5X.

 

[rikkisbears]

 

[happyrat1]

Hi Ray, found this online, a “how to” and some styles. Probably not a great deal around.

Bonus Styles | EK-50 - ENTERTAINER KEYBOARD | KORG (Australia)

The keyboard that helps you play

www.korg.com

Downloads | EK-50 - Mixed Styles | KORG (USA)

株式会社コルグは、音楽を演奏、作曲するためのシンセサイザーやデジタルピアノ(電子ピアノ）、DJ機器、デジタル・レコーダー、エフェクター、チューナーまでさまざまな電子楽器を製造、販売しています。

www.korg.com

The link below, possibly style sets 1 to 7 might load. I checked the styles in my PA5x, and I think they have the same no. of variations , fills etc that ek50 has. Not designed for ek, though.

All about Arrangers - Bonusware | KORG (Australia)

KORG

www.korg.com

Thanks for those links.

I just picked up an EK-50 a couple of weeks ago and haven't really poked all the bears in the OS yet, but it's always good to grab the expansion options while you can.

I haven't really decided if it's a good gigging board yet or if it's just another no talent toy to give people delusions of grandeur.

I gotta say the FX and Voices are a good match for my old TR76 though and sound pretty good on their own without the cheezy accompaniment sequencers. It's bloody huge though. The massive speakers double the weight.

 

[Rayblewit]

Many thanks indeed Rikki and Col.
Some good ideas there for me to chew over.
If we have success, I will post the outcome here for future reference.
Thanks again. R

 

[rikkisbears]

Thanks for those links.

I just picked up an EK-50 a couple of weeks ago and haven't really poked all the bears in the OS yet, but it's always good to grab the expansion options while you can.

I haven't really decided if it's a good gigging board yet or if it's just another no talent toy to give people delusions of grandeur.

I gotta say the FX and Voices are a good match for my old TR76 though and sound pretty good on their own without the cheezy accompaniment sequencers. It's bloody huge though. The massive speakers double the weight.

Hi HappyRat, ,
The sets from 1 to 7 from the Korg bonusware site , may not load. Even though they have a similar structure ,they’re for Korg Pa series.Korg is a bit more specific with what they can and can’t load.
If they do, let me know, I can check through my library to see if there’s any others.
Found these utube clips, seems to be a fair few out there.
Nowadays I find it so much easier to watch a clip , than wade thru dozens or hundred of pages of a manual.



Just in case you haven’t checked into loading styles.

 

[Biggles]

Get the bonus styles from:-

Bonus Styles | EK-50 - ENTERTAINER KEYBOARD | KORG (U.K.)

The keyboard that helps you play

www.korg.com

Do look in the manual about creating a backup file or a SaveAll as Korg calls it in their Pa series.

There is a system update for the EK that may be applicable to your EK

Downloads | EK-50 - System Updater | KORG (USA)

株式会社コルグは、音楽を演奏、作曲するためのシンセサイザーやデジタルピアノ(電子ピアノ）、DJ機器、デジタル・レコーダー、エフェクター、チューナーまでさまざまな電子楽器を製造、販売しています。

www.korg.com

 

[happyrat1]

Thanks Biggles. The PA styles failed to load. Now I'll try your UK link and get back to you.

 

[rikkisbears]

Hi HappyRat,
these didn’t load ? Says for ek50.

Downloads | EK-50 - Mixed Styles | KORG (USA)

株式会社コルグは、音楽を演奏、作曲するためのシンセサイザーやデジタルピアノ(電子ピアノ）、DJ機器、デジタル・レコーダー、エフェクター、チューナーまでさまざまな電子楽器を製造、販売しています。

www.korg.com

 

[happyrat1]

Hi HappyRat,
these didn’t load ? Says for ek50.

Downloads | EK-50 - Mixed Styles | KORG (USA)

株式会社コルグは、音楽を演奏、作曲するためのシンセサイザーやデジタルピアノ(電子ピアノ）、DJ機器、デジタル・レコーダー、エフェクター、チューナーまでさまざまな電子楽器を製造、販売しています。

www.korg.com

I screwed up on the directory structure. I finally figured out you can pretty much only fit one or two styles into a STYLES directory to make it work and you have to create that directory manually. The video tutorials leave a lot to be desired,

It's a pathetically simplified OS in this board.

Takes a hell of a long time to boot up too.

I think they are still using an 8 bit CPU in this thing.

I mean really, you have to bloody rewrite the flash drive every time you want to load a style? Weak

 

[Biggles]

The EK is Korg’s first foray into “cheap” beginner keyboards.

They aimed it to compete with the Yamaha E series but gave it the extra handle of it being an Entertainer keyboard, whatever that is supposed to mean..

I suppose get what you pay for, I’ve never tried one.

Luke from Korg UK, putting an EK through its paces.

 

[rikkisbears]

I screwed up on the directory structure. I finally figured out you can pretty much only fit one or two styles into a STYLES directory to make it work and you have to create that directory manually. The video tutorials leave a lot to be desired,

It's a pathetically simplified OS in this board.

Takes a hell of a long time to boot up too.

I think they are still using an 8 bit CPU in this thing.

I mean really, you have to bloody rewrite the flash drive every time you want to load a style? Weak

Hi HappyRat, for anyone who wants to add additional styles to arranger keyboards, you need something from the Korg pa series or Yamaha psr Series
The more expensive boards let you load and edit / create Styles, they become less redundant.

Don’t know why they have to make it so difficult to load stuff in e series.

The loading system on the yamaha E is the same as I had to do with my DGX piano 20 years ago Ie use music soft downloader.

Bit of a gimmick really, being able to tell you EK 50 can load styles, it does, but you’re still totally dependant on what styles they supply.

 

[amwilburn]

I screwed up on the directory structure. I finally figured out you can pretty much only fit one or two styles into a STYLES directory to make it work and you have to create that directory manually. The video tutorials leave a lot to be desired,

It's a pathetically simplified OS in this board.

Takes a hell of a long time to boot up too.

I think they are still using an 8 bit CPU in this thing.

I mean really, you have to bloody rewrite the flash drive every time you want to load a style? Weak

Yes, Yamaha E series and DGX 660 and earlier were all like that. So are all Korgs (yes the EK 50 is a more limited one, but even the top of the line PA5x you can't just *read* off the flash drive, you need to copy into a fixed array user slot. Which also makes it a pain if you're copying several sets (1 set you can copy to user 1, and it will copy everything into user 1 array; but if you copy a 2nd set of styles, you can't copy to user 1 again, it overwrites the fixed array of store styles! You then have to manually load and save onto individual memory slots into the user array in order to copy 100's of styles over.

You probably won't be surprised by this, but anytime I've filled a Korg to capacity, it crashes (PA1000, PA4x, PA900, Kronos, Krome, etc) and (as you already know) the general rule of thumb is not to fill more than half the space. *to be fair* the new Genos 2 has a ridiculously small hard drive (15gb) and guess what? It *also* crashes if you fill more than half. (On all the previous TOTLA ... T2 80gb hd, t3 80, T4 320gb, T5 500gb, g1 58GM ssd... I've never come close to filling half. The closest I'd come is 7% of the G1 drive used up.

There's no *mass* copy and paste, or just read from the stick, like on Yamaha & Roland. Korg PA's have always been like this. SO yeah, you *do* have to rewrite the internal flash drive everytime you install a style, yes. I've complained to them that it's much simpler to just read from a usb stick. But yes, it's much slower to read this way. But when you're talking about 50kb files... does the read speed matter *that* much?

Having said that, the Korg EK50 is unique; in that it's the only one where the user area covers styles and samples for the styles; and it also sounds better (to me) than any PSRE or any Go Keys. (except the piano sound, which still isn't bad)

Mark

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DX7, CLP300, PSR60, Roland E20, CVP309, PSRS970, Fender Strat, Ibanez SA262, Yamaha CG131, Fujiyama FC390, TUC-Kitty

 

[rikkisbears]

Yes, Yamaha E series and DGX 660 and earlier were all like that. So are all Korgs (yes the EK 50 is a more limited one, but even the top of the line PA5x you can't just *read* off the flash drive, you need to copy into a fixed array user slot. Which also makes it a pain if you're copying several sets (1 set you can copy to user 1, and it will copy everything into user 1 array; but if you copy a 2nd set of styles, you can't copy to user 1 again, it overwrites the fixed array of store styles! You then have to manually load and save onto individual memory slots into the user array in order to copy 100's of styles over.

There's no *mass* copy and paste, or just read from the stick, like on Yamaha & Roland. Korg PA's have always been like this. SO yeah, you *do* have to rewrite the internal flash drive everytime you install a style, yes. I've complained to them that it's much simpler to just read from a usb stick. But yes, it's much slower to read this way. But when you're talking about 50kb files... does the read speed matter *that* much?

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www.youtube.com/MarkWilburnTLM/Videos
DX7, CLP300, PSR60, Roland E20, CVP309, PSRS970, Fender Strat, Ibanez SA262, Yamaha CG131, Fujiyama FC390, TUC-Kitty

HiMark,
sorry but unless I am misunderstanding what you’re saying, all my PA5x styles are on a usb flash drive, I haven’t loaded any 3rd party or user styles into my PA5x, only time I load a style in, is for editing purposes, then I save to a usb drive. I just bring up the style on my usb stick and play, same as on my sx900.
I also sort my 3rd party styles on my pc, same as I did with my sx900 library. They are now all individual styles , not banks like the pa4x and prior korgs.
The operating system has been overhauled , hence all the time spent with Korg trying to get it right.

The style system for loading , copying etc, resembles the Yamaha system more so than it does the prior korgs.
The structure of the style is still the same with it’s 6 cv’s for variations and 2 for fills, intros/endings, but the saving, loading etc has changed enormously.

 

[amwilburn]

oh thanks for the correction, maybe I should install OS1.3!
But yes, *all* previous korgs worked that way (as you also mention), and it was very frustrating. One of my PA1000 customers *really* hates that ("Yamaha was so much easier!"), but loves the sound, so what can he do, right?

Hmm. I just tried loading styles from Pa5x, and as before, they don't just load...? Would you mind walking me through the steps? (yes for once I need help!)

When I switch from internal to my USB flash drive, go to my Korg directly, I can go into the folders and click on user01.sty, user02.sty etc but nothing happens...? In the old Korg os's up to PA1000, you had to use file, then import one of these .sty sets, but you *could* look inside and copy just the 1. That still works on the PA5x, but I tried just now and can't see how to load like a Yamaha does..? Help!

*correction* that still worked on the original 1.0 os. I just checked on my OS 1.2 display model, and even importing no longer works. What the heck?

I'm familiar with the old Korg PA os, but yes, this new one takes getting used to (again). In fact my die hard Korg buddy, who still loves his PA1000 (he's owned Korg since PA900), lined up to be one of the first PA5x. But after playing it in our store for 2 hours +? He walked off, shaking his head *because* the OS was so different from before.


Btw our Korg rep told me they didn't redesign everything from scratch because they *wanted* to; after the AKM chip factory fire in 2020 and the ensuing chip shortage of 2021, they basically *couldn't* get the same chips (we also weren't able to get stock of PA1000/Pa700 for 2021 for the same reason!) They were forced to design completely from scratch, and I guess the designers figured "Hell, let's add a whole bunch of things we couldn't before due to compatibility"

Necessity *is* the mother of invention!

Mark

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www.youtube.com/MarkWilburnTLM/Videos
DX7, CLP300, PSR60, Roland E20, CVP309, PSRS970, Fender Strat, Ibanez SA262, Yamaha CG131, Fujiyama FC390, TUC-Kitty

 

[rikkisbears]

Hi Mark, have you “Converted “your PA4x styles before trying to load Into PA5x?
They have to be a converted to .kst in the PA5X.
After conversion, they’re all converted to individual styles.
The normal Pa4x ( or any other) style won’t load into PA5x.

There might be better video’s out there. Gives you a rough idea.