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UK and EU are like a bungee jump off a bridge.

One minute you're in the common market, the next decade you're back out.

Rinse and repeat.

Make up your bloody minds already :p
1973 was when the UK joined the EU and in 2020 when we left so hardly in and out.

We were fed incorrect information by the then Government prior to the referendum.

It all showed that the country would be better off outside the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU.
 
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Just read this on quora. Couldn't say it better myself.

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Can Canadian people explain why they are not as pro-American as they used to be and are more Canadianized?
The entire world is less pro-American than it used to be, not just Canada. The popularity of the US and the US president plummeted under Trump. Favourable opinion of the US dropped to about 35% (about half of what it was), favourable opinion of the US president dropped to 16% (Obama was in the 90s I believe).
For four years the world sat on the sidelines watching, with horror and disbelief, the unmitigated corruption of US politics in the hands of that big, fat, ugly piece of S&%t otherwise known as . . . trump. The rest of the world, not just Canada, was delighted when Biden won in 2020. Sadly, his election did nothing to stop the continued corruption of US politics and the disgraceful behaviour of US Republicans. When we hear MTG could conceivably be the big fat orange glob’s 2024 running mate, or that piece of white trash, Boebert is being considered for speaker of the house, or the enormous sums of money the wealthy continue to donate to trump’s cause so he can be re-elected and they will benefit by trump’s implemention of tax laws that only favor the rich, the entire world shudders in disbelief.
The world, and Canada, could/can not believe the racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, gun-toting enthusiasm, corrupt, deceitful, violence promoting, position of politicians who believe in nothing but their continued political seat.
The world could not believe the corruption it witnessed within the US DOJ and the Supreme Court whose members were bought for financial gain. The world could not believe the atrocities trump and his henchmen got away with. Why has Matt Gaetz’s buddy been imprisoned for sexual crimes while he hasn’t been prosecuted for anything? Why do people continue to vote for dishonourable as$&*es like Ted Cruz or Graham or McConnell whose political positions seesaw back and forth depending on what the big ugly orange glob has had to say that day?
Why can trump continue to threaten judges and jury members with no real consequences? Why is it funny Pelosi’s husband was coshed with a hammer? Disgraceful. Why is the vitriol that spews from trump’s moth allowed to go on unchecked? - Disgraceful. Why has he been allowed to get away with ignoring the US constitution and what it stands for? He persecutes those who should enjoy freedom of religion. He tromps over people’s constitutional right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech.
Trump opened the eyes of the entire world, not just Canada, to the US’s far-reaching political corruption and didn’t like what it saw. Trump decimated the world’s positive perception of the US. The entire world is far less pro-American than perhaps at any other time in US history.
The entire world, not just Canada, has its fingers crossed that trump is not re-elected in 2024. God save the US if he is. Should he be reelected the world, not just Canada, will grow increasingly anti-American.

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Very interesting.

$38m Contract awarded to his best buddy’s Space X
 
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Gary, or anyone else from Canada,
Do you mind me asking you, since I am curious and we are not getting the full story here in Aus. .

Why did Trump impose 25% import tariffs on Canada?
Trudeau retaliated too.

What's your take on this?
 
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Gary, or anyone else from Canada,
Do you mind me asking you, since I am curious and we are not getting the full story here in Aus. .

Why did Trump impose 25% import tariffs on Canada?
Trudeau retaliated too.

What's your take on this?
Trump has paused the tariffs for 30 days, except for metals, steel and aluminum. Tariffs are often used a negotiating tool and in this case, Trump wants Canada to do a better job of policing border control. Canada is an heavily taxed country, inefficient with many regulatory statutes. It also has leaned heavily to the political left, which Trudeau has acknowledged that he’s lost his political footing to conservatives. These tariffs may move Trudeau out of office sooner. Canada had already placed a 16% tariff on American imports, so part this is retaliatory as well. The US is a major trade partner and each is dependent on each other, but think Canada can not sustain tariffs for long time and already is beefing up on better border security.
 
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Very interesting.

$38m Contract awarded to his best buddy’s Space X
I thought this was a keyboard forum.

Not saying that Space X is perfect, but they typically also get the job done. If you recall, Boeing left two of the US astronauts stranded on the space station because of Boeing’s incompetence or poor management oversight. Space X is planning to rescue them. Musk is bright and efficient. He’s also in favor of freedom of speech and transparency, something many left leaning bureaucrats are not. Audits done by Musk have shown many government bureaucrats used agencies as fronts for their own political agenda and wasted tax money that did not promote US interests. Why are the liberals, progressives and democrats condemning Musk? What are they hiding? It’s outrageous to see how many tax dollars were spent on absolutely stupid stuff and lined someone else’s pockets.
 
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Seems we forgot about the real Matter!.... How about an ovation in the parliament of Canada in honor of a frank fascist? Let me believe that it was only accident ... But now I can not think so!...
 

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I thought this was a keyboard forum.
This is an "off-topic" forum

There are 2 dozen or more keyboard forums.
Have look at the menu tab on the home page!
But you already know that. You have been around here for awhile.
 
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I thought this was a keyboard forum.

Not saying that Space X is perfect, but they typically also get the job done. If you recall, Boeing left two of the US astronauts stranded on the space station because of Boeing’s incompetence or poor management oversight. Space X is planning to rescue them. Musk is bright and efficient. He’s also in favor of freedom of speech and transparency, something many left leaning bureaucrats are not. Audits done by Musk have shown many government bureaucrats used agencies as fronts for their own political agenda and wasted tax money that did not promote US interests. Why are the liberals, progressives and democrats condemning Musk? What are they hiding? It’s outrageous to see how many tax dollars were spent on absolutely stupid stuff and lined someone else’s pockets.
Herr Fuhrer Musk has already staged an unelected coup of the entire American Government and economy. And protestors in America are muffled by the fascist media. Let him play with his f***ing rockets and hope he blows himself up.
 
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Trump has paused the tariffs for 30 days, except for metals, steel and aluminum. Tariffs are often used a negotiating tool and in this case, Trump wants Canada to do a better job of policing border control. Canada is an heavily taxed country, inefficient with many regulatory statutes. It also has leaned heavily to the political left, which Trudeau has acknowledged that he’s lost his political footing to conservatives. These tariffs may move Trudeau out of office sooner. Canada had already placed a 16% tariff on American imports, so part this is retaliatory as well. The US is a major trade partner and each is dependent on each other, but think Canada can not sustain tariffs for long time and already is beefing up on better border security.
He *said* he would pause them for 30 days; he's already broken his own word, and now they're unpaused. Additionally he's now added tariffs to Australia (and the UK I think?) and additionally he now says he want another 50% tariffs on Canada.

It's the fact that he's so non-sequitur that the US is losing all trust. And the Quora article quoted is correct; Obama's global approval rating was 90%, trumps 16% and dropping.

No one can trust trump's word
 
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Question for you Americans!

Is the combined IQ of the Politicians in the USA something that requires the use of more than the digits on one hand?

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Is it possible to rename ”the land of the free, the home of the brave” to “the land of the not so free, the home of the dumb”?
 

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The main reason we don't want to be Americans in Canada is that our politicians RESPECT OUR LAWS!!!! Keep your drugs, your guns and your divisive 2 party system to yourselves.
 

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Is capitalism fundamentally at odds with the welfare of the human species and a non viable solution in the long run?




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Okay, so the question is whether capitalism is fundamentally at odds with human welfare and not viable in the long run. Hmm, where to start. First, I need to understand what capitalism really is. From what I know, capitalism is an economic system where private individuals or businesses own capital goods. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the market, rather than central planning. So, the main drivers are profit motives and market competition.

But the user is asking if this system is incompatible with the well-being of humans in the long term. I guess the first thing to consider is the arguments for and against capitalism. On the pro side, capitalism is often credited with driving innovation, economic growth, and efficiency. Countries with capitalist systems tend to have higher GDPs, technological advancements, and a higher standard of living compared to non-capitalist countries. For example, the Industrial Revolution was fueled by capitalist motives, leading to significant technological progress.

However, there are criticisms. Critics argue that capitalism leads to inequality, exploitation of workers, environmental degradation, and short-term thinking. For instance, the pursuit of profit might encourage companies to ignore environmental regulations, leading to pollution and climate change. There's also the issue of wealth inequality, where the rich get richer while the poor struggle, which can lead to social unrest. Additionally, in a capitalist system, there's a focus on constant growth, which might be unsustainable given finite resources on Earth.

Another point to consider is the variation in capitalist systems. Some countries have mixed economies, combining capitalism with substantial social welfare programs. The Nordic model, as in Sweden or Norway, incorporates free-market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level. These countries often rank high in happiness and quality of life indices. So maybe it's not capitalism per se, but how it's regulated and balanced with social policies.

Then there's the question of long-term viability. If capitalism relies on infinite growth on a finite planet, that's a problem. Climate change, resource depletion, and biodiversity loss are existential threats that capitalism might exacerbate. However, some argue that capitalism can adapt through green technologies and sustainable practices. Market mechanisms like carbon pricing could internalize environmental costs. But whether this can happen quickly enough and on a sufficient scale is debatable.

Also, the human welfare aspect. Capitalism's focus on individualism might undermine community and social cohesion. The stress from competitive environments can affect mental health. On the other hand, capitalist economies can generate the wealth needed to fund healthcare, education, and social safety nets, which contribute to welfare.

There's also the historical context. Feudalism, mercantilism, and other systems were replaced as they became untenable. Maybe capitalism will evolve or be replaced by a new system that addresses its flaws. But predicting the future is tricky. Some argue that with proper regulation and ethical frameworks, capitalism can be reformed to prioritize human welfare and sustainability.

In conclusion, the answer likely depends on how capitalism is implemented. Pure, unregulated capitalism might be at odds with human welfare and sustainability, but a regulated form with social and environmental safeguards could be viable. However, there are significant challenges, especially regarding sustainability and inequality, that need to be addressed to ensure long-term viability.
The question of whether capitalism is fundamentally at odds with human welfare and long-term viability is complex, involving both its strengths and criticisms. Here's a structured analysis:

Arguments in Favor of Capitalism

  1. Economic Growth & Innovation: Capitalism drives technological advancement and efficiency through competition and profit incentives. Historical examples like the Industrial Revolution highlight its role in raising living standards.
  2. Adaptability: Mixed economies (e.g., Nordic models) blend capitalism with robust welfare systems, demonstrating that regulated capitalism can coexist with high quality of life and social equity.
  3. Wealth Generation: Capitalist systems generate resources that fund public services (healthcare, education) and safety nets, potentially enhancing welfare.

Criticisms of Capitalism

  1. Inequality: Wealth concentration and wage disparities can lead to social stratification and unrest, undermining collective welfare.
  2. Environmental Impact: The pursuit of growth often prioritizes short-term profits over sustainability, exacerbating climate change and resource depletion.
  3. Exploitation & Short-Termism: Labor exploitation, corporate monopolies, and a focus on immediate gains may neglect long-term societal and ecological health.

Long-Term Viability Challenges

  • Sustainability: Infinite growth on a finite planet is unsustainable. However, proponents argue green technologies, circular economies, and carbon pricing could mitigate this.
  • Social Cohesion: Hyper-individualism and consumerism may erode community bonds and mental health, though welfare policies might counteract this.

Conclusion

Capitalism’s viability depends on its implementation. Unregulated capitalism risks exacerbating inequality and environmental harm, posing threats to long-term welfare. However, regulated, adaptive capitalism—incorporating strong social safety nets, environmental regulations, and ethical frameworks—could address these issues. The Nordic model exemplifies this balance, suggesting that capitalism, when tempered with progressive policies, may remain viable. Ultimately, systemic reforms to prioritize sustainability, equity, and human well-being are critical for its endurance.





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Is capitalism fundamentally at odds with the welfare of the human species and a non viable solution in the long run?




Thought for 32 seconds


Okay, so the question is whether capitalism is fundamentally at odds with human welfare and not viable in the long run. Hmm, where to start. First, I need to understand what capitalism really is. From what I know, capitalism is an economic system where private individuals or businesses own capital goods. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the market, rather than central planning. So, the main drivers are profit motives and market competition.

But the user is asking if this system is incompatible with the well-being of humans in the long term. I guess the first thing to consider is the arguments for and against capitalism. On the pro side, capitalism is often credited with driving innovation, economic growth, and efficiency. Countries with capitalist systems tend to have higher GDPs, technological advancements, and a higher standard of living compared to non-capitalist countries. For example, the Industrial Revolution was fueled by capitalist motives, leading to significant technological progress.

However, there are criticisms. Critics argue that capitalism leads to inequality, exploitation of workers, environmental degradation, and short-term thinking. For instance, the pursuit of profit might encourage companies to ignore environmental regulations, leading to pollution and climate change. There's also the issue of wealth inequality, where the rich get richer while the poor struggle, which can lead to social unrest. Additionally, in a capitalist system, there's a focus on constant growth, which might be unsustainable given finite resources on Earth.

Another point to consider is the variation in capitalist systems. Some countries have mixed economies, combining capitalism with substantial social welfare programs. The Nordic model, as in Sweden or Norway, incorporates free-market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level. These countries often rank high in happiness and quality of life indices. So maybe it's not capitalism per se, but how it's regulated and balanced with social policies.

Then there's the question of long-term viability. If capitalism relies on infinite growth on a finite planet, that's a problem. Climate change, resource depletion, and biodiversity loss are existential threats that capitalism might exacerbate. However, some argue that capitalism can adapt through green technologies and sustainable practices. Market mechanisms like carbon pricing could internalize environmental costs. But whether this can happen quickly enough and on a sufficient scale is debatable.

Also, the human welfare aspect. Capitalism's focus on individualism might undermine community and social cohesion. The stress from competitive environments can affect mental health. On the other hand, capitalist economies can generate the wealth needed to fund healthcare, education, and social safety nets, which contribute to welfare.

There's also the historical context. Feudalism, mercantilism, and other systems were replaced as they became untenable. Maybe capitalism will evolve or be replaced by a new system that addresses its flaws. But predicting the future is tricky. Some argue that with proper regulation and ethical frameworks, capitalism can be reformed to prioritize human welfare and sustainability.

In conclusion, the answer likely depends on how capitalism is implemented. Pure, unregulated capitalism might be at odds with human welfare and sustainability, but a regulated form with social and environmental safeguards could be viable. However, there are significant challenges, especially regarding sustainability and inequality, that need to be addressed to ensure long-term viability.
The question of whether capitalism is fundamentally at odds with human welfare and long-term viability is complex, involving both its strengths and criticisms. Here's a structured analysis:

Arguments in Favor of Capitalism

  1. Economic Growth & Innovation: Capitalism drives technological advancement and efficiency through competition and profit incentives. Historical examples like the Industrial Revolution highlight its role in raising living standards.
  2. Adaptability: Mixed economies (e.g., Nordic models) blend capitalism with robust welfare systems, demonstrating that regulated capitalism can coexist with high quality of life and social equity.
  3. Wealth Generation: Capitalist systems generate resources that fund public services (healthcare, education) and safety nets, potentially enhancing welfare.

Criticisms of Capitalism

  1. Inequality: Wealth concentration and wage disparities can lead to social stratification and unrest, undermining collective welfare.
  2. Environmental Impact: The pursuit of growth often prioritizes short-term profits over sustainability, exacerbating climate change and resource depletion.
  3. Exploitation & Short-Termism: Labor exploitation, corporate monopolies, and a focus on immediate gains may neglect long-term societal and ecological health.

Long-Term Viability Challenges

  • Sustainability: Infinite growth on a finite planet is unsustainable. However, proponents argue green technologies, circular economies, and carbon pricing could mitigate this.
  • Social Cohesion: Hyper-individualism and consumerism may erode community bonds and mental health, though welfare policies might counteract this.

Conclusion

Capitalism’s viability depends on its implementation. Unregulated capitalism risks exacerbating inequality and environmental harm, posing threats to long-term welfare. However, regulated, adaptive capitalism—incorporating strong social safety nets, environmental regulations, and ethical frameworks—could address these issues. The Nordic model exemplifies this balance, suggesting that capitalism, when tempered with progressive policies, may remain viable. Ultimately, systemic reforms to prioritize sustainability, equity, and human well-being are critical for its endurance.





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What is not covered in the above is the Financial systems that are in place.

The way commodities and materials are bartered is little more than Gambling and making huge sums of cash for individuals and companies who do not directly contribute to goods and product development.

Surely the Debt model is not the that any Country should be managed.

The VW Group Debt was €285B as of 2024 so it does not bode well for anyone other than the organisations who hold the Debt.

The stupidity of the Financial system is surely demonstrated by the totally cloud based Crypto currency systems.
 
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In case you were unaware, Musk (an unelected official) has full access to the USA treasury, and has started draining your retirement funds. Spacex is subsidized by the US govt. To the tune of over a billion taxpayer dollars.


How's the price of eggs? Hint: when trump says he's going to lower prices, he's actually going to do the opposite. Ask any construction workers from the 70's, 80's, 90's. He's *always* been like this.

And you ain't seen nothing yet; USA was importing 15 million dozen eggs annually from Canada (we're the largest supplier of US eggs) and now he's put a 25% tariff on all Canadian goods as of Feb 12th, with another 25% coming March 1st.

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Meaning the amount they jumped by? Will jump up again by the same amount.


I'd previously mentioned when he first suggested tariffs that doing so during an avian flu pandemic devastating USA poultry, that prices would skyrocket.

Btw, Canada primarily exports oil to the USA as well (4 million barrels per day). So guess what's going to happen to gas prices as well?

Also, someone seems to have forgotten that Canada is part of a 1.3 billion person commonwealth. And our commonwealth bretherin are also levying counter tarriffs. (Counter. Canada didn't levy tariffs first. Ever heard of NAFTA? THere were *no* import duties between Canada and US at all until trump tore that up in his 1st term)

 
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